Maybe after that certain cause on the prolonged generations quickly appearing in the brand new heraldry will come in order to white

I think Tim could well be post the latest goes through of the visualize so you can his website, and will post that link to the newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Coats-of-Palms

connections of your own players, (the new Wingfields had been researched rather well, and even with my typo to your Howard loved ones, I actually do feel the pedigree precisely annotated in RI) >>

I am not sure this will be a precise statement. Do your own guide target the new generation *prior* to help you John Russell who e the mother and father regarding Elizabeth Russell who m Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn wife out-of Malise

We have the next so you’re able to complete some of the gaps your tell you forthe high-grand-parents off Reginald le Cheyne. Among the many primaryadditions stems from his paternal granny (NN on your own article) havingbeen Mary de- Moravia (als de Moray), aunt and you will coheiress out of Freskinde Moravia of Duffus (her moms and dads Walter de Moravia and you may Euphemia ofRoss appear below). You have the matter regarding his maternalgrandmother: I hold she was Joanna de Menteith, 2nd spouse of Malise,Earl off Strathearn. This will at the least give a close explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen out-of Strathearn (spouse successively ofReginald ce Cheyne, the father, as well as Sir David de- Graham) beingnamed to have Helen de- Menteith, sibling out of Joanna and you will wife out-of Sir ColinCampbell out-of Lochow (d. bef Will get 1343).

Regrettably, I do believe you can find extra gaps inside Muriel Keith’sancestry (look for less than). As to sometimes enhancements suggested on the tablesbelow, delight indicates of every detailed issues, or just what documentationmight suggest people mistake indexed.

You will find holes both in ancestries, but ferociously because out of Reginald.Having Muriel Keith, their particular high-grandparents We show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I am not saying conscious of people documents giving support to the character associated with the mate once the Barbara Seton. When you yourself have noted any, please suggest.

step three Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander out of /Fraser/ Chamberlain regarding Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser partnered Mary Bruce (otherwise de Brus), and had a beneficial young man John recognized as ‘nepos’ off Robert _the_Bruce. That it child was a more youthful John, not, and not his heir. John Fraser, after lord of Aboyne, are this new young man away from a primary relationship (it partner unfamiliar; I have it toward authority from Andrew MacEwen).

step three Walter de Moravia (young man regarding Hugh de- Moravia, and Annabela regarding Fife) cuatro Euphemia off Ross (dau. from Fearchar, very first Earl of Ross and you can NN deBrus)

5 Malise, 6th Earl out-of /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de- Menteith (young man away from Walter Stewart, E away from Menteith and you can

The fresh new consanguinity between Muriel Keith and you can Reginald le Cheyne -known to have Dominikanci mjesto mladenki been good-grandson out-of Malise, Earl away from Strathearn (d.1312) – is the only facts (when the secondary) why these a couple individualshad one or more ancestor/ancestress in keeping.

I’ve gaps in ancestries, but ferociously in this away from Reginald.To own Muriel Keith, their own great-grandparents I show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander away from /Fraser/ Chamberlain of Scotland d step three Aug 13326 Mary de Brus, Baroness /Fraser/7 NN Fraser8 NN

To own Reginald le Cheney it is sparse1 NN Cheney , 2 NN, 3 NN, 4 NN5 Malise, sixth Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN possibly Comyn d aft 13097 and 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, early 15the century, within the Leicestershire. Elizabeth is actually the fresh new d Villiers and Agnes Beler. Now, I would like to hook Agnes in order to Sir Roger Beler, murdered by the Eustace de Folville, however, I can not find any facts about her. Is also people help?